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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 21, 2016 17:51:49 GMT
In a regulated market a proportion of tax revenues from the sale of cannabis should be invested back into public services, particularly for those most vulnerable to the negative impacts of cannabis use. This will never happen whilst it is illegal. I think the trouble with this is that because it is so easy to grow large amounts at home, the Government would get very little revenue from it.
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Post by kris on Nov 21, 2016 17:53:47 GMT
In a regulated market a proportion of tax revenues from the sale of cannabis should be invested back into public services, particularly for those most vulnerable to the negative impacts of cannabis use. This will never happen whilst it is illegal. I think the trouble with this is that because it is so easy to grow large amounts at home, the Government would get very little revenue from it. i believe In holland to be legally able to grow your own, you have to go and buy a liscence from the police station. So money is still made.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 17:56:08 GMT
In a regulated market a proportion of tax revenues from the sale of cannabis should be invested back into public services, particularly for those most vulnerable to the negative impacts of cannabis use. This will never happen whilst it is illegal. California just legalized marijuana for recreational use on 8 November, 2016. California is about the same size as the UK. It is anticipated that tax revenues from mj sales will be around $1 billion. This does not include the reduction in law enforcement costs due to legalization, which will be significant. One billion dollars can pay for a lot of drug treatment.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 18:05:58 GMT
So, is this a case of "Do as I say, not as I do." or are you suggesting that someone should imprison you to protect you from your drinking excesses? It seems you are suggesting the we should just imprison people who have bad habits other than yours. No, I was thinking of protecting children, teenagers and the vulnerable such as people with mental illness. Who mentioned prison? Can we not debate this in a polite way? Please don't confuse aggressively arguing my point with being impolite. I mean nothing personal, I'm just trying to make a point. The American in me may make it seem impolite, but it's not meant to be. As far as mentioning prison is concerned, exactly how do you think they enforce drug laws? They enforce them by making human beings live in cages. Exactly what part of that do you think is okay? As regards protecting the vulnerable, I revert to my original question, "Who would you rather have controlling whether or not those "vulnerables" get drugs, the government or a drug dealer?" The only way the government can control drugs is to legalize drugs! BTW - The legal age for buying pot in California is now 21 y.o. and mj is now controlled much the same as alcohol is.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 21, 2016 18:07:22 GMT
I was chatting to a bloke I know who likes to get really off his head and he said his favourite was Ketamine. But he usually just drinks alcohol as it is the easiest thing to get. He does not smoke. I drink alcohol everyday. Self medication but moderation is important yes. I used to smoke tobacco and cannabis but stopped as I don't like smoke in the boat. I tried snuff but its a bit weird ! Years ago (90s) you could get nice relaxing grass or slate which was pleasant to smoke in a joint but this skunk shit is nasty ! Oh bugger I want a spliff now - oh well beer shop will have to do Ketamine - that's the bladder rotter, taking more kills the pain in your bladder and...irreversable colostomy bag at 18.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:11:02 GMT
So, is this a case of "Do as I say, not as I do." or are you suggesting that someone should imprison you to protect you from your drinking excesses? It seems you are suggesting the we should just imprison people who have bad habits other than yours. No, I was thinking of protecting children, teenagers and the vulnerable such as people with mental illness. Who mentioned prison? Can we not debate this in a polite way? Since you mention children I believe my children (4 and 6 y.o) (and counting...) would be better protected by a legal framework which would allow them to buy and use cannabis. In fact if it were legal I would be happy to have a smoke with them as teenagers (and so would their mum) to introduce them to it but I disagree with buying drugs from criminals. I would also do this with alcohol (but not smoke it!) Obviously some people can't handle it and yes it will cause problems like alcohol does. That's part of life. Most people seem to know how to deal with life in general.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 21, 2016 18:11:29 GMT
This discussion is probably pointless, making drugs illegal has probably contributed to the rise in people taking them over the past 30 years. Illegal or legal won't make any difference, people won't be buying drugs at the corner shop because the way we do things in this country would mean weak and over priced rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:14:42 GMT
In a regulated market a proportion of tax revenues from the sale of cannabis should be invested back into public services, particularly for those most vulnerable to the negative impacts of cannabis use. This will never happen whilst it is illegal. I think the trouble with this is that because it is so easy to grow large amounts at home, the Government would get very little revenue from it. Its an interesting thought but do you really think if Mary Jane as we are now calling it were available in the corner shop at a sensible price everyone would have a farm at home as well? I would expect (do not know) that legal cultivation of the product would bring the price down dramatically even if it was taxed. Its like saying everyone will home brew their beer but fact is they don't. Imo
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:17:19 GMT
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Nov 21, 2016 18:11:29 GMT kelper said:
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Nov 21, 2016 18:05:58 GMT PaulG2 said:
Please don't confuse aggressively arguing my point with being impolite. I mean nothing personal, I'm just trying to make a point. The American in me may make it seem impolite, but it's not meant to be.
As far as mentioning prison is concerned, exactly how do you think they enforce drug laws? They enforce them by making human beings live in cages. Exactly what part of that do you think is okay?
As regards protecting the vulnerable, I revert to my original question, "Who would you rather have controlling whether or not those "vulnerables" get drugs, the government or a drug dealer?" The only way the government can control drugs is to legalize drugs!
BTW - The legal age for buying pot in California is now 21 y.o. and mj is now controlled much the same as alcohol is.
thanks. I do accept that you are arguing a point with no intention to be rude. My apologies. I actually agree with you that it might be better to regulate a drug than to leave it to crooks and neredowells.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:18:29 GMT
This discussion is probably pointless, making drugs illegal has probably contributed to the rise in people taking them over the past 30 years. Illegal or legal won't make any difference, people won't be buying drugs at the corner shop because the way we do things in this country would mean weak and over priced rubbish. The internet has already proved itself to be the perfect way to market and distribute cannabis
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 18:20:02 GMT
In a regulated market a proportion of tax revenues from the sale of cannabis should be invested back into public services, particularly for those most vulnerable to the negative impacts of cannabis use. This will never happen whilst it is illegal. I think the trouble with this is that because it is so easy to grow large amounts at home, the Government would get very little revenue from it. Growing good mj is not as easy as it sounds. Growing outside means exposure to pests and thieves, whilst growing inside requires space and a lot of electricity. It's legal to distill your own spirits for personal consumption, but few people do it because it simply isn't practical. It's easier, and often less expensive, to just buy it. The same goes for pot. I once grew pot for the medical marijuana industry and it's an exact horticultural sciense, and a PITA. I can grow really good pot, but I don't bother. It's much easier to just buy it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 21, 2016 18:25:49 GMT
I think the trouble with this is that because it is so easy to grow large amounts at home, the Government would get very little revenue from it. Growing good mj is not as easy as it sounds. Growing outside means exposure to pests and thieves, whilst growing inside requires space and a lot of electricity. It's legal to distill your own spirits for personal consumption, but few people do it because it simply isn't practical. It's easier, and often less expensive, to just buy it. The same goes for pot. I once grew pot for the medical marijuana industry and it's an exact horticultural sciense, and a PITA. I can grow really good pot, but I don't bother. It's much easier to just buy it. I did read somewhere that there is so much cannabis grown in the UK that we are now a net exporter, and that vehicles are searched for it at Dover on the way out. Certainly everybody I know who smokes it smokes home-grown weed, cannabis resin which for decades was the standard article is very rare in the UK now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:26:54 GMT
Government should limit the number of plants per individual with enforceable penalties for breaches
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 18:28:15 GMT
thanks. I do accept that you are arguing a point with no intention to be rude. My apologies. I actually agree with you that it might be better to regulate a drug than to leave it to crooks and neredowells. Well then, we do have common ground. I should point out that I do not advocate drug use, only drug legalization.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:28:42 GMT
My ex wife is severly damaged by Cannabis, we used to import seeds from Holland and had a virtually unlimited supply, she smoked it instead of cigarettes, her brain is now fried and she is virtually a zombie. Not pleasant. making it legal is a non starter as far as I am concerned. This isn't personal, and it may sound cruel, but millions of people worldwide smoke mj my with no ill effects. Do you think it is fair to condemn hundreds of thousands of those people to live in cages just because of what happened to your loved one? Alcohol ruins far more lives than mj. Should you be made to spend years in a cage just because you enjoy an occasional drink? Should the clerk at the liquor store be forced to live in a cage for selling you beer? Yes make it illegal, you wont get any sympathy from me if you feel caged, there is generaly no reason that a human needs to smoke dope, there are some that need canaboids(sp) for medicinal reasons but that has no THC.
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