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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 17:31:19 GMT
I don't 'advocate' tobacco. I said you should try some weed. My apologies. I read your statement to mean I should smoke some of the tobacco/weed mixture. On closer examination, I see that is not what you said.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 21, 2016 17:31:49 GMT
thank you ..... interesting
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:32:04 GMT
I've not visited Nederlands since 2012 when the law did change. Just checking on wikipedia it still says, "A Dutch judge has ruled that tourists can legally be banned from entering cannabis cafes, as part of restrictions that were implemented in 2012.[1] This ban is implemented by the municipalities and does not apply to the city of Amsterdam and other large cities in the Netherlands.[2]"
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 21, 2016 17:33:03 GMT
Cannabis as part of a life for recreational use I have no issues with When cannabis becomes must have addiction and destroys lives then I do have an issue,,but then its like all addictions it tears families apart. I know alcohol addiction / abuse is bloody awful..Ive watched several family members succumb to various addictions . With cannabis our house reeked of it..it changed one of my sons beyond recognition..his siblings maintain it was skunk that affected his mind. I would not wish on my worst enemy the living nightmare that was my life I have never turned my back on him..mums cannot, and oh so slowly we are getting there. My ex wife is severly damaged by Cannabis, we used to import seeds from Holland and had a virtually unlimited supply, she smoked it instead of cigarettes, her brain is now fried and she is virtually a zombie. Not pleasant. making it legal is a non starter as far as I am concerned. Everything can be abused. We shouldn't make things illegal just because a few muppets have no self control. Even drinking too much water will kill you, should we ban that?
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 21, 2016 17:34:48 GMT
I've not visited Nederlands since 2012 when the law did change. Just checking on wikipedia it still says, "A Dutch judge has ruled that tourists can legally be banned from entering cannabis cafes, as part of restrictions that were implemented in 2012.[1] This ban is implemented by the municipalities and does not apply to the city of Amsterdam and other large cities in the Netherlands.[2]" It was only implemented in a few border towns after pressure from their neighbours to stop people popping over the border to buy stuff.
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Post by kris on Nov 21, 2016 17:34:59 GMT
I believe breathing is addictive, the withdrawal symptoms are severe anyway.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 17:36:02 GMT
Paul, you are right, I can't find the statistics you want. But, if you have an open mind, can you read this article and tell me what your point of view is? Everthing in life carries a balance of risk and benefit. I happen to think that we should protect some people from poor decisions. I probably drink more than is wise but it seems a fair risk considering the pleasure it gives.www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/15/what-are-the-risks-of-taking-cannabisSo, is this a case of "Do as I say, not as I do." or are you suggesting that someone should imprison you to protect you from your drinking excesses? It seems you are suggesting the we should just imprison people who have bad habits other than yours.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 21, 2016 17:36:08 GMT
Forums are certainly addictive and must be banned!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 21, 2016 17:37:47 GMT
I've not visited Nederlands since 2012 when the law did change. Just checking on wikipedia it still says, "A Dutch judge has ruled that tourists can legally be banned from entering cannabis cafes, as part of restrictions that were implemented in 2012.[1] This ban is implemented by the municipalities and does not apply to the city of Amsterdam and other large cities in the Netherlands.[2]" It was only implemented in a few border towns after pressure from their neighbours to stop people popping over the border to buy stuff. They did this in Venlo when I was there, but for some reason some types of foreigner were still allowed in, vile zee uzzers vere verboten.
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Post by kris on Nov 21, 2016 17:42:21 GMT
It was only implemented in a few border towns after pressure from their neighbours to stop people popping over the border to buy stuff. They did this in Venlo when I was there, but for some reason some types of foreigner were still allowed in, vile zee uzzers vere verboten. because Germany and France put pressure on the nederlands to come into line with rest of Europe. Some coffee shops now have members areas.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 17:44:34 GMT
Cannabis as part of a life for recreational use I have no issues with When cannabis becomes must have addiction and destroys lives then I do have an issue,,but then its like all addictions it tears families apart. I know alcohol addiction / abuse is bloody awful..Ive watched several family members succumb to various addictions . With cannabis our house reeked of it..it changed one of my sons beyond recognition..his siblings maintain it was skunk that affected his mind. I would not wish on my worst enemy the living nightmare that was my life I have never turned my back on him..mums cannot, and oh so slowly we are getting there. My ex wife is severly damaged by Cannabis, we used to import seeds from Holland and had a virtually unlimited supply, she smoked it instead of cigarettes, her brain is now fried and she is virtually a zombie. Not pleasant. making it legal is a non starter as far as I am concerned. This isn't personal, and it may sound cruel, but millions of people worldwide smoke mj my with no ill effects. Do you think it is fair to condemn hundreds of thousands of those people to live in cages just because of what happened to your loved one? Alcohol ruins far more lives than mj. Should you be made to spend years in a cage just because you enjoy an occasional drink? Should the clerk at the liquor store be forced to live in a cage for selling you beer?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:48:46 GMT
My ex wife is severly damaged by Cannabis, we used to import seeds from Holland and had a virtually unlimited supply, she smoked it instead of cigarettes, her brain is now fried and she is virtually a zombie. Not pleasant. making it legal is a non starter as far as I am concerned. In a regulated market a proportion of tax revenues from the sale of cannabis should be invested back into public services, particularly for those most vulnerable to the negative impacts of cannabis use. This will never happen whilst it is illegal.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 17:49:09 GMT
I've not visited Nederlands since 2012 when the law did change. Just checking on wikipedia it still says, "A Dutch judge has ruled that tourists can legally be banned from entering cannabis cafes, as part of restrictions that were implemented in 2012.[1] This ban is implemented by the municipalities and does not apply to the city of Amsterdam and other large cities in the Netherlands.[2]" You have to LOL at this (the policy, not you). The drug war is okay, unless it messes with the tourist trade and then it's okay to just turn a blind eye.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 21, 2016 17:50:02 GMT
They did this in Venlo when I was there, but for some reason some types of foreigner were still allowed in, vile zee uzzers vere verboten. because Germany and France put pressure on the nederlands to come into line with rest of Europe. Some coffee shops now have members areas. Funny how this "free movement" thing which is so important to Angela Merkel can be suspended if she and her cronies can't see a way of profiting from it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:50:11 GMT
Paul, you are right, I can't find the statistics you want. But, if you have an open mind, can you read this article and tell me what your point of view is? Everthing in life carries a balance of risk and benefit. I happen to think that we should protect some people from poor decisions. I probably drink more than is wise but it seems a fair risk considering the pleasure it gives.www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/15/what-are-the-risks-of-taking-cannabisSo, is this a case of "Do as I say, not as I do." or are you suggesting that someone should imprison you to protect you from your drinking excesses? It seems you are suggesting the we should just imprison people who have bad habits other than yours. No, I was thinking of protecting children, teenagers and the vulnerable such as people with mental illness. Who mentioned prison? Can we not debate this in a polite way?
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