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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 16:29:35 GMT
I'm just countering the argument that marijuana is harmless. Weed cafe's in Nederlands are still popular but they won't serve you unless you are resident. You should try some and chill out a bit :-)
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 16:35:50 GMT
He has acquaintances with no bladders from taking horse tranquillisers. I met one of his mates at strawberry fair who was off his nut on that gas they like, you make whipped cream with it. That was revolting, he looked really ill, like really drunk but professed to be happy. You could hardly stand for slipping on the gas canisters, thousands upon thousands. Dateline: Berkeley, California, summer of 1969 I was living in San Francisco, right on the corner of Haight and Ashbury, to be honest, but that's beside the point. I went to visit some friends who lived in a big communal house in Berkeley. I walked in and heard some activity upstairs some I went up to see if my friends were there. Three people who lived in the house were gathered in the attic, sitting in a circle passing around a pint can of something they were sniffing. I remember all of their eyes looked like something from a horror film - wickedly bloodshot eyes with a raccoon-like mask of vein punctuated red around their eyes. As I walked in, one of the guys tried to hand me the can, saying, "Man, you really should try this stuff, it's ether and it's really gooood." As he tried to hand me the can, the only part of the label I could see was a big, bold, 4" tall skull and crossbones poison insignia. I just walked away shaking my head...
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 21, 2016 16:41:52 GMT
I'm just countering the argument that marijuana is harmless. Weed cafe's in Nederlands are still popular but they won't serve you unless you are resident. You should try some and chill out a bit :-) No, you are not countering that argument. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. If you want to counter the argument, come up with some facts instead of hysteria. As far as you advocating that I should partake in the use of one of the most addictive and most deadly substances on earth, tobacco, I say the fact that you are pushing dangerous drugs speaks for itself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 16:48:54 GMT
I don't 'advocate' tobacco. I said you should try some weed.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 21, 2016 17:06:21 GMT
Most drugs are pretty baaaaaad if you overdo them, moderation is the key!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:07:38 GMT
Paul, you are right, I can't find the statistics you want. But, if you have an open mind, can you read this article and tell me what your point of view is? Everthing in life carries a balance of risk and benefit. I happen to think that we should protect some people from poor decisions. I probably drink more than is wise but it seems a fair risk considering the pleasure it gives. www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/15/what-are-the-risks-of-taking-cannabis
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:10:38 GMT
Most drugs are pretty baaaaaad if you overdo them, moderation is the key! Yes, especially moderation. some excesses are great fun.
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 21, 2016 17:15:00 GMT
I'm just countering the argument that marijuana is harmless. Weed cafe's in Nederlands are still popular but they won't serve you unless you are resident. You should try some and chill out a bit :-) Nobody is claiming that it is completely harmless. It can be abused, as can just about anything else consumable. It is however much less harmful than common legal substances like tobacco and alcohol. That bit about weed cafés only serving residents is also incorrect.
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Post by smileypete on Nov 21, 2016 17:16:11 GMT
Most drugs are pretty baaaaaad if you overdo them, moderation is the key! Yes, especially moderation. some excesses are great fun. Sorry, but moderation is neither pleasurable or addictive! Sanity is an unfortunate (or fortunate?) byproduct of moderation. I've still got a little sanity left.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:16:52 GMT
Most drugs are pretty baaaaaad if you overdo them, moderation is the key! Yeah maaan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:22:59 GMT
I was chatting to a bloke I know who likes to get really off his head and he said his favourite was Ketamine. But he usually just drinks alcohol as it is the easiest thing to get. He does not smoke. I drink alcohol everyday. Self medication but moderation is important yes. I used to smoke tobacco and cannabis but stopped as I don't like smoke in the boat. I tried snuff but its a bit weird ! Years ago (90s) you could get nice relaxing grass or slate which was pleasant to smoke in a joint but this skunk shit is nasty ! Oh bugger I want a spliff now - oh well beer shop will have to do
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:25:57 GMT
I think if cannabis were legalised and the quality/strength of the product was indicated it would be good. Just have a light smoke like having a beer rather than whisky. Same sort if principle can't be rocket science.
I imagine the reason for skunk being strong is this thing with a lot of it being grown in UK so maximum yield per sq.meter is important and maybe ? Skunk is more addictive so the dealers provide it for return custom. Possibly?
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Post by JohnV on Nov 21, 2016 17:27:32 GMT
I'm just countering the argument that marijuana is harmless. Weed cafe's in Nederlands are still popular but they won't serve you unless you are resident. You should try some and chill out a bit :-) Nobody is claiming that it is completely harmless. It can be abused, as can just about anything else consumable. It is however much less harmful than common legal substances like tobacco and alcohol. D9 ..... do you know how the graph was compiled ? if it is based on total harm to society then as there are far more people consuming alcohol than narcotics, the proportions would be skewed towards alcohol being the worst. If based on damage per equal number samples of all users it could be a totally damning indication of alcohol and would suggest the free issue of mushrooms or conversely ............. something totally different. It all hinges on how the figures were gathered and presented ........ lies damned lies and statistics. It is like most emotive issues, sometimes getting the true facts can be very very difficult
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:29:54 GMT
Cannabis as part of a life for recreational use I have no issues with When cannabis becomes must have addiction and destroys lives then I do have an issue,,but then its like all addictions it tears families apart. I know alcohol addiction / abuse is bloody awful..Ive watched several family members succumb to various addictions . With cannabis our house reeked of it..it changed one of my sons beyond recognition..his siblings maintain it was skunk that affected his mind. I would not wish on my worst enemy the living nightmare that was my life I have never turned my back on him..mums cannot, and oh so slowly we are getting there. My ex wife is severly damaged by Cannabis, we used to import seeds from Holland and had a virtually unlimited supply, she smoked it instead of cigarettes, her brain is now fried and she is virtually a zombie. Not pleasant. making it legal is a non starter as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 21, 2016 17:30:23 GMT
Nobody is claiming that it is completely harmless. It can be abused, as can just about anything else consumable. It is however much less harmful than common legal substances like tobacco and alcohol. D9 ..... do you know how the graph was compiled ? if it is based on total harm to society then as there are far more people consuming alcohol than narcotics, the proportions would be skewed towards alcohol being the worst. If based on damage per equal number samples of all users it could be a totally damning indication of alcohol and would suggest the free issue of mushrooms or conversely ............. something totally different. It all hinges on how the figures were gathered and presented ........ lies damned lies and statistics. It is like most emotive issues, sometimes getting the true facts can be very very difficult It is based on equal number samples. It is from Prof. David Nutt's study, the one that got him the sack because it didn't return the results that our lovely government wanted.
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